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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:46:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Everything about destiny reminds me of what dust should have been...and the thing is dusts guns, vehicles, and economy/fitting system is a better core than what destiny has to offer......
Now I know bungie is spending tons of money on this game but I feel like if CCP would have just put some more money and thought into the actual gameplay and graphics......they would've made the game that every fps player wants.....
Will legion do this? Maybe....but the thing is its on PC....so IDK
Thoughts? The mechanics in Destiny are what DUST's should have been. Most fps players out there would even let the graphics slide if the controls and core mechanics were professionally done. DUST does have New Eden going for it, though. I'd say if CCP could deliver something close to Bungie's alpha-grade controls and core fps mechanics(movement and aiming, hitbox fidelity, environment interaction) that would be good enough for DUST/Legion to carve a respectable chunk out of the fps market. Provided they put it on console, ofc.
...well dust doesn't have new eden going for it anymore ... and legion isn't green lit yet so new eden may not have legion....
all new eden is anyway is a made up world, the best lore wasn't even made by CCP, at least not exclusively.. who's to say destiny's world wont be far richer than new Eden's?
if the world and lore is at least as in depth, what candle could Dust ever hope to hold to destiny? |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:44:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Your silly.. CCP = Mediocre at Any PVE aspect in their history. Any PVE in EVE is 1 dimensional.. CCP =Mediocre at making a Casual gaming experience.. They just don't build casual gaming experiences... CCP = The Kings at Large scale PVP with weight and meaning. CCP = Kings of building Meta gaming and politics into their games. CCP = King of player inspired and ran economies. What Bungie and CCP have for strengths and weaknesses are completely polar opposite. Who they build games are completely opposite. Destiny had a budget of over 500 million dollars with a staff of over 250 people. CCP Shanghai is 70 people now after growth? Development budget not even touching that. Sadly alot of DUST's and then CCP's problems stems right from Upper Management and old guard employee's being protected from their mistakes instead of being held accountable. http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htmCheck out employee reviews of CCP. It's a great corporation it's just managed poorly atm.
CCP is not king of anything you mentioned... the players built the politics and meta gaming, that's all player created content right there.
large scale pvp was being done and done well in DAOC, and when eve first came out you had only a handful of ships and a bunch of empty space, took them years to lay the ground work for players to have large scale events, and it was the goons who gave eve players the imagination to realize them. not ccp.
ccp has blundered many times over the years with the economy... its always been the players who set it right.
sorry if ccp is the king of anything, its creating a game in a genre that was vapid for a decade, it's the only reason why so many migrate to eve. and they don't do it anywhere near as well as it could be done. |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.23 06:52:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:
CCP is not king of anything you mentioned... the players built the politics and meta gaming, that's all player created content right there.
large scale pvp was being done and done well in DAOC, and when eve first came out you had only a handful of ships and a bunch of empty space, took them years to lay the ground work for players to have large scale events, and it was the goons who gave eve players the imagination to realize them. not ccp.
ccp has blundered many times over the years with the economy... its always been the players who set it right.
sorry if ccp is the king of anything, its creating a game in a genre that was vapid for a decade, it's the only reason why so many migrate to eve. and they don't do it anywhere near as well as it could be done.
The meta gaming aspect was completely ran and accepted by CCP.. Gaming companies at the time created specific guidlines in their games to stop this behavior while CCP actively promoted it. Same with politics, Yes players played in the political sandbox in owning and expanding assets, but the box that held the sand that players built castles out of was built by CCP. Goons where the pioneers of **** for large scale PVP, that was ASCN. Goons where the pioneer's of throwing hundreds of cheap ships endlessly at better shiped, skilled and organized pvp groups. Still is the same way. And DAOC had EVE size PVP seriously? EVE was a single shard game world.. there was no PVP server's... RP servers... PVE servers... The servers in DAOC where limited to 4k players... then only three NPC factions that you fought for... Like seriously? Then we can look at you know, right now? EVE is the king at large scale pvp. When I started playing EVE back in beta.. We had players from 3 of the main space based MMO's at the time.. And let's not even start about EA and Earth and Beyond. I forever will hate EA for that.
ran and accepted by ccp? they just didn't do what every other company did do, instead of enforcing an honor system they simply held to the mantra of Harden The F(u)ck Up...the players took that and ran with it.
and yes, I'll concede ccp built the sand box...have you ever seen a sandbox? it's a box... with sand in it...
you ever see someone talented with sand sculpting? some pretty amazing stuff... it's the player who made the politics intriguing, and wove it's many layers of depth, deception, and alliance... they made it beautiful, I doubt ccp had the forsight to see the turns it's spaceship game would take.
as I said about the goons...they gave the players imagination... they took the simplistic view ccp put forth of combat to the players (kind of the way the british waged war with muskets) and the goons thought out side the (sand) box, and showed everyone how much further you could take things... and not just with ship battles... in game events, spy networking, alliance forging...
lets just name a few other things players excelled in developing eve where CCP utterly failed.
tutorial? nope... credit that to EUNI,
I think chrriba has more third party content than ccp has of 1st party... and eve expansions.... combined.
EFT? ccp make anything close?
I could go on but I wont, I'll just say,
yes, ccp poured some sand in a box (slow clap) but the players have always been the only thing that makes new eden, eve, dust interesting... and ccp has always made better choices in game development when they have chosen to listen to the players...
sorry, I didn't mean to dry up your wet spot for CCP. |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:45:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Everything about destiny reminds me of what dust should have been...and the thing is dusts guns, vehicles, and economy/fitting system is a better core than what destiny has to offer......
Now I know bungie is spending tons of money on this game but I feel like if CCP would have just put some more money and thought into the actual gameplay and graphics......they would've made the game that every fps player wants.....
Will legion do this? Maybe....but the thing is its on PC....so IDK
Thoughts? The mechanics in Destiny are what DUST's should have been. Most fps players out there would even let the graphics slide if the controls and core mechanics were professionally done. DUST does have New Eden going for it, though. I'd say if CCP could deliver something close to Bungie's alpha-grade controls and core fps mechanics(movement and aiming, hitbox fidelity, environment interaction) that would be good enough for DUST/Legion to carve a respectable chunk out of the fps market. Provided they put it on console, ofc. ...well dust doesn't have new eden going for it anymore ... and legion isn't green lit yet so new eden may not have legion.... all new eden is anyway is a made up world, the best lore wasn't even made by CCP, at least not exclusively.. who's to say destiny's world wont be far richer than new Eden's? if the world and lore is at least as in depth, what candle could Dust ever hope to hold to destiny? For Destiny it's lack of sandbox - the goons and many other content-generators could never accomplish what they did in EVE in Destiny. No developer will allow that in a mainstream game. Destiny looks great and i'm looking forward to playing it, but as an arcade-style entertainment. Compared to the loss/betrayal/metalevel manipulations that exist in New Eden, however, Destiny has nothing to offer. That's what attracted many of us to EVE after all - our decisions had real and sometime painful consequences and there was no safety net. What attracts me to Destiny is the quality/fidelity with which the core fps mechanics have been implemented and the overall quality of the code. In Destiny i know i won't be fighting buggy/subpar code - all limitations on performance will be my own.
I agree that destiny will probably not have the level of political intrigue that eve has... but my hopes are that the amount of other stuff destiny will have will make that short fall seem unimportant. |
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